Mexicali grave flaunts Nazi association By VICTOR MORALES, Staff Writer
Friday, January 18, 2008 10:32 PM PST
JOSELITO VILLERO PHOTO
A grave bereft of the name or names of those buried there lies in Mexicali Municipal Cemetery No. 1, decorated only with Nazi symbols.
MEXICALI — The Mexicali Municipal Cemetery No. 1 is a time warp, with dilapidated tombstones dating back to the 1920s, when this city’s population was at 14,500, a fraction of the million believed to live here now.
Surrounding the cemetery are symbols of the city’s modernity: a new McDonalds, the Plaza Cachanilla mall and an IMAX Theater.
But deep inside the graveyard there is a marker that further points toward another time.
An unnamed tomb with a metal cross topped with a swastika breaks the continuity of Jesuses and virgins spread throughout the cemetery. The red and black symbol is flanked by other emblems that make it clear the swastika is of a fascist nature.
Dangling on the cross is a metal pendent formed into a Schutzstaffle, or SS, emblem, the insignia of the powerful paramilitary group that enforced Adolf Hitler’s racist Nazi ideology from 1925 to 1945. Another swastika is engraved on the 4-foot slab of stone at the foot of the tomb.
The peculiar gravestone has generated attention throughout the estimated 20 years it has existed at the cemetery, said Adrian Estrada, the cemetery’s groundskeeper.
But the names of the interred are unknown to city officials, who manage the cemetery. It is believed a man and a woman are in the grave, Estrada said.
“Many newspapers have come to learn about it, but they come for nothing. We don’t know who it is,” Estrada said, a stocky man with jet black hair and mustache.
A metal nameplate and box attached to the cross has been painted over. Crude scrapes run across it, likely made by the curious but revealing only bare and rusted metal. Without knowing the names of the interred, their records are untraceable, Estrada said.
The grave, which is splashed with what appears to be fairly recent paint, is visited by a woman family member and a man, Estrada said, believed to be a police officer.
He comes bearing swastikas on his clothes, Estrada said.
The grave, if those buried in it are descendents of Nazi Germany, is at an unusual site.
Mexicali historians interviewed said they have not heard of any migration from Nazi Germany into the Mexicali Valley.
Maria Isabel Verdugo, a historian at the Mexicali Municipal Archives, said she has done research on Chinese and Japanese migration, but she has not come upon any evidence from Nazi Germany.
She said she is aware of Mexicans in the city of German descent, but their ancestors’ arrival to the area pre-dated World War I.
Verdugo said the tomb is “rare.”
But there have been documentations of Nazi activity in Mexico during Hitler’s reign.
The late reporter John L. Spivak, who exposed fascist movements in the Americas, devoted a whole chapter to Nazi activity in Mexico in a book published in 1939.
Nazi agent Hermann Schwinn arranged a pivotal meeting in Mexicali in 1933, according to Spivak.
Baja California historian Georgina Cuevas Walther, whose grandfather is German, said a good way to learn of the grave was to visit it on Dia de los Muertos, the Mexican holiday, honoring the dead and when many come to visit loved one’s gravesites.
But on the morning of that day last November, as families came to well wish their dead, no one appeared near the Nazi tomb, and the mystery remains.
>> Staff Writer Victor Morales can be reached at 337-3452.
" I'm Mexican and totaly think this is a very wrong thing to be allowed! The holocaust was a time in life thousands and millions died, not just jews, and have someones grave represent such a thing ! there nuts!!! "
abelito wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:34 PM:
" What else is new. To conservatives, libs are seen as "socialists", "commies." To libs, conservatives are seen as "fascists," "elites." It's a never-ending story. "
Wesley wrote on Jan 26, 2008 2:39 PM:
" holababy, you're right, the Democrats aren't Nazis. However, how many times have we seen Democrat policians like Ted Kennedy call George Bush, Republicans and conservatives Nazis. Referring to the GOP and conservatives as Nazis is a Democrat talking point and mantra we see over and over again. I'm just making the case that if any politcal party or idealogy resembles Nazism at all, it is the Democrat party and liberalism. "
holababy wrote on Jan 26, 2008 10:55 AM:
" good story.
as a small boy, i was drawing a swastika on some paper. i had just seen a "war" movie on tv.
my mother saw the drawings and went into wild frenze.
she ripped up those drawing and stated vey clearly--"if i ever see you making those symbols again, i will spank you for a week".
no such thing a Child Potective Services to save my butt--way back then.
later, in my travels--i would see the swastika in american native art. in pictures,as designs on clothing, pottery, and in beed art.
what does the symbol mean ?
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holababy wrote on Jan 26, 2008 10:42 AM:
" wesley--anybody who has seen the history channel's documentary on the nazi germany would agree with most of what you have to say.-------------------------but--never knew any democratz that wanted to elimate the jewish race or kill gypsies.
if we made a long list--i am sure difference list would be much longer, than the list of similarites. "
ricocafe99 wrote on Jan 26, 2008 9:36 AM:
" I cant really add anything to this thread of comments other than to say I loved reading it...you guys ROCK!! "
wesley wrote on Jan 26, 2008 12:06 AM:
" You are wrong abelito. Adolph said no such thing. It was Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propoganda minister. It was only one quote in a much longer diatribe known as Churchills Lügenfabrik" (Churchill's lie factory) in "Die Zeit ohne Beispiel" (i.e. Times without example.) He was using the phrase to denounce Winston Churchill. And here you are doing the same exact thing to conservatives. Do you see what I mean?
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abelito wrote on Jan 25, 2008 7:58 PM:
" wriststrong, You aren't related to (M)Ann Coulter, are you? You sure come across pretty much like her.
wesley, all types of governments have a "common thread" whether communist, fascist or anywhere in-between. The Nazis were no exception. But, they were conservatives-Not liberals, in any sense of the word. They believed that in order to do away with "undesirable" and political opponents within their country, they first had to Demonize,Dehumanize, Demoralize, Defeat. They did this by "repeating the same lies, over and over until they were accepted as Truth"(I believe that was Adolph's line). The ,similarity I see here in that regard, is "uncanny" as well, although, not surprising.
Achtung! "
martinez2k wrote on Jan 25, 2008 2:42 PM:
" For all you History and Military buffs, starting on February 1st thru the 8th of February at the Ken Cinema in San Diego they will be showing a documentary named ‘Nanking’ it details the horrors and atrocities that the Japanese Army inflicted on the Chinese civilian population in China in December of 1937. It’s a must see, they should make it a mandatory viewing in High Schools, just like they do Schindler’s List. You can read more about it if you Google Nanking. "
wesley wrote on Jan 25, 2008 2:10 PM:
" Go ahead abelito, prove me wrong. Show me the source from history that proves me wrong. Show me the history that I'm re-writing. Here's some more facts for you. Hitler was a a rapid environmentalist. The Nazis had an anti-smoking campaign. Tha Nazis were enthusiastic supporters of gun control. The Nazis believed in the nationalization of industry. The Nazi believed in eugenics. The similarites between the Democrat party and the Nazi party are uncanny. "
thegarz wrote on Jan 24, 2008 12:41 PM:
" martinez2k: The item to the left of the rose is indeed an Iron Cross. It was used before the Nazi period as a decoration (medal) for bravery in battle. During WWI (1914-18) th eIron Cross had a "W" in the center (probably for Kaiser Wilhelm). During WWII the Nazis changed the "W" to a swastika. The person buried there may indeed be a decorated combat veteran, who knows. Interesting to note that the Iron Cross is still in use in Germany today...the non-Nazi one of course. I've seen it painted on the wings of aircraft belonging to the modern German Air orce (Bundeswehr). "
wriststrong wrote on Jan 24, 2008 11:05 AM:
" Abelito, you are a true liberal idiot. I am not full of myself, I am full of pure red, white, and blue. You, sir, are fully fecal. I mean that in the literal sense. LOL! "
abelito wrote on Jan 24, 2008 9:58 AM:
" Wesley and Wriststrong, You conservative "whackos" are so full of yourselves "
abelito wrote on Jan 24, 2008 6:40 AM:
" Wesley, It's not clear whether you are really ignorant or intentionally, trying to rewrite history, or the diccionaries. May I suggest a little research into the meaning of the words socialism as opposed to fascism or naziism before you toss them around "a lo tonto", or try to "pin" them on others? It would sure go a long way to making you appear -less dumb. BTW, you probably confused Hitler who was Nazi or Fascist and "Christian", with Stalin who was atheist and communist. "
wriststrong wrote on Jan 24, 2008 5:57 AM:
" Thanks wesley... Clintigula, lol! "
wesley wrote on Jan 24, 2008 2:36 AM:
" wriststrong, LOL! That's an interesting moniker. Defninitely befitting of a conservative women. The limp wristed among us will most assuredly vote for Clintigula and his wife for a third term. "
wriststrong wrote on Jan 23, 2008 3:00 PM:
" p.s. I'm a conservative WOMAN not voting for "Comrade Clinton" "
wriststrong wrote on Jan 23, 2008 2:57 PM:
" George is worse than a democrat, he's independent. That's a democrat without his manhood. "
borderlou wrote on Jan 22, 2008 10:06 PM:
" Probably the only intelligent thread of comments since IVP decided to open up this space for us. "
kozzackkelt wrote on Jan 22, 2008 6:30 PM:
" Congratulations....one of the best of the IV blogs (so far)....just a few notes: Germany has sent a few immigrants to Mexico over the years; PCIIW, but wasn't Diaz' man-in-charge of the Rurales a Prussian? Is there anyone who doesn't like Linda Ronstadt ?
Holocaust. Hitler wrote, while in prison, what he wanted to do and whom he wanted to do it to in "Mein Kampf." Any "untermenschen" (lesser-people/beings) were his target towards building a pure Aryan nation; so, Jews, Romini (European tribe usually refered to as "gypsies"), Slavs, anyone with a mental or physical defect, etc., were targets for the Nazi thugs. My understanding is that anyone who was SS had to flee Europe or be executed when caught. Many went to Argentina and Paraguary, others melted into other western hemisphere populations. I'm not surprised some old SS veteran showed up in Baja. GARZ, I'll be e-mailing you. "
Marygb wrote on Jan 22, 2008 5:27 PM:
" Today in the Desert Sun (can be read online)
there is an extensive article about an 82 yr. old Rancho Mirage man who has proposed the Tolerance Education Center on Bob Hope Drive. He and his brother fled from a camp in 1943. It will include history from the Holocaust and Slavery, teach about freedom and genocide. Mr. Greif is looking for a director, librarian, maintenance and garder caretaker. Mr. Greif want to bus students 4 days a week to the museum. A December opening is in the works. "
susflores wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:55 PM:
" I don't see any wrong in what jewel lady posted. It is her belief and she is obviously upset by what she saw, maybe in disbelief. It is good she says what she feels, shame on the ones that can't stand to see someone who doesn't go with the flow. who knows maybe it brought back memories? It is kinda ironic to see this grave and it's decor, imajine if the one next to it was a holocaust victim? "
fuzzy wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:22 PM:
" this was a great thread until the jewelady marred it with her personal thoughts on defacing the grave. good or bad, its history, and i agree that the dead should be left alone. let it stand as a testament to history, and use its presence as a reflection on the past and as inspiration to make tomorrow brighter. too bad hitler couldn't paint people, otherwise he'd have gotten into art school and WWII would have been started by another regime. keep up the intelligent post's people, this is great reading! "
wesley wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:17 PM:
" Nazi parahpanalia is still sold at many different venues. The importance is the context not the thing itself. A Nazi flag being waved by a skinhead is different than a Nazi flag in the midst flags of other Axis and Allied nations in some person's WWII collection. "
pinay wrote on Jan 22, 2008 8:32 AM:
" And yet there's still Indian Festivals and everyone still buying ornaments that are being sold at the iv fair grounds. so why not nazi "
wesley wrote on Jan 22, 2008 8:11 AM:
" And before Columbus arrived the Indians were giving orders to slaughter and torture each other. "
pinay wrote on Jan 22, 2008 7:14 AM:
" Jewelady you are so offended by this and yet im sure you dont mind that this entire country celebrates Christopher Columbus Day who was in fact in charge of the slaughter of hundreds of Indians who lived here first before he came here. He gave the orders for that massacre. History took its course and you cant change that nor can you change the ones who choose to be associated with the nazi. And you cant choose your bloodline. "
wesley wrote on Jan 21, 2008 10:16 PM:
" martinez2k, you don't care about Darfur. You just like saying you do because it makes you feel better. It's one of those stylish, avant guard Hollywood fads that lefties like to put on their bumpers so they can feel good about themselves without actually having to sacrifice or deal with any hard choices.
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wesley wrote on Jan 21, 2008 5:55 PM:
" Hey george, I see your still spilling the same ignorant Democrat talking points. The fact is Hitler was NOT a Christian and was most certainly not on the "right", The Nazi's were socialists and only slightly to the right of communists, thus the mis-characterizations of Nazis being on the right. The very word NAZI is a contraction of the the German words for national socialists.As we all know Democrats are socialists. If we are going to make a comparison using ideologies then one would have to conclude that liberal Democrats are the most like the Nazis. "
martinez2k wrote on Jan 21, 2008 5:50 PM:
" Jewelady “Why is this allowed in Mexico?" -just a thought "The ones who keep on living know what these symbols represent and these symbols shouldn't be allowed in any civilized country" This is allowed in Mexico because Mexico also believes in the right of free speech, these symbols are allowed just like we allow and tolerate the confederate flag to fly in our southern states, knowing what this Flag (symbol) meant in our own country’s history. "
19661966 wrote on Jan 21, 2008 2:48 PM:
" people get a life, and spend more time with your loved ones. "
keeneye wrote on Jan 21, 2008 12:56 PM:
" look closer. You don't need photshop to know this is a cross. "
martinez2k wrote on Jan 21, 2008 12:32 PM:
" Can anyone make out the symbol that is hanging left of the rose, I have tried to make it out by using Photoshop and Picasa but to no avail, my guess is that it is an Iron Cross?? Mr. Morales can you verify this?? "
martinez2k wrote on Jan 21, 2008 11:05 AM:
" Sadly genocide such as the Holocaust is going on today, in Darfur and other places in Africa and yes we should all care about it, yet we don't, I wonder if it's because the victims happen to be black, would we react differently if they were Jewish or any other race or religion?? We sent our armed forces into the Balkan region (Kosovo) to stop this type of thing back in the early 90’s, yet today we can't even send the U.N. effectively into some regions in Africa.
Unfortunately this educational and informative blog has gone racial, religious and now political. What’s next?
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marygb wrote on Jan 21, 2008 10:26 AM:
" Jewelady wrote in her blog, " Why is this allowed in Mexico? Don't they know what happened to thousands of Jews? I hate to see how Mexicans turn away from events that didn't have an impact on their culture. I hope this grave is vandalized."
Jewelady, No one blogging is suggesting they accept what happened to millions of jews, by the scum of the earth Hitler and his henchmen. Frankly if that were happening today, (Godforbid) These bloggers and lots of Mexicans would be armed with bats after them! What we need to be is educated so that history of that nature never repeats itself. There are American children today that have no clue what has taken place during mulitiple eras, yet they are currently enrolled in school! Not all Mexicans turn away from issues that do not impact their culture like you stated. A movie by Spielberg titled: Schindler's List, brings nigtmares... make suggestions. Offer to volunteer in a school, bring your history to others. Victims of such horrendous extermination carry this with them for life. Tell others, teach others, especially children of reasonable age who don't have a clue. Thanks for blogging..peace be with u. "
licpel wrote on Jan 21, 2008 6:26 AM:
" While I totally might disagree with nazism, I totally support peoples right to say whatever the hell they want to say, even mexico gaurantees that basic right. yeah, the holocaust did happen, people which did those things did exist, and we aal know what great horrors happend to the jews, but we still have to respect the wishes of a dead man to be associated with nazis. some people might be offended by the star of david or the christian cross, but people wish to use symbology to decorate their eternal resting place. If you want to settle scores with people, do it while they live, after death that score is settled by God. "
just a thought wrote on Jan 21, 2008 12:19 AM:
" The little voices in your head should tell you...The dead are dead and already resting in peace, symbols or no symbols.
The ones who keep on living know what these symbols represent and these symbols shouldn't be allowed in any civilized country. If the people that come and clean the tomb had a heart, they would've taken them off, it shouldn't be allowed not even Mexico. "
martinez2k wrote on Jan 20, 2008 10:32 PM:
" 'Jewelady' - I had a lot of smart azz remarks to make about your posting but after listening to the voices in my head I decided on this- Maybe Mexico allows the dead to lie in peace, after all, we wil all have our judgemnet day in due time. The 'Jewesh Holocaust" afected the World in whole, the Americas (North,Central and South) have experienced a few 'holocausts' of thier own, including the decimation of a few indigenous cultures and the enslavement of a few others. So in other words, all races and religions have suffered. Let's give hate a rest and let the dead lay in peace.
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Jewelady wrote on Jan 20, 2008 2:12 PM:
" Why is this allowed in Mexico? Don't they know what happened to thousands of Jews? I hate to see how Mexicans turn away from events that didn't have an impact on their culture. I hope this grave is vandalized. The people who visit this grave and maintain it, should be ashamed of themselves. I wonder why the name or names of the people who are buried there has been withheld from the plaque, If they so truly believed in what the swastika represented, then why not feel proud and put a name on there? "
sil wrote on Jan 19, 2008 10:25 PM:
" Its interesting how (someone)the grave is being kept up by looking at the pic. Someone be cleaning enough that the water is making some small patch of grass to grow. (compare to the surrounding graves. "
thegarz wrote on Jan 19, 2008 9:30 PM:
" ...continuing: Yes, many of these soldiers immigrated to Latin American and the USA after WWII. There is (or was) an association of these veterans but for obvious political reasons kept a low profile--most just wanted to lay low but like most combat veterans, needed the camaraderie and understanding that only a true vet can provide. There were also the die hard fanatics who managed to slip through INS i'm sure. I am willing to bet that quite possibly, this grave MAY contain a Waffen SS veteran?
Anyways, thegarz@hotmail is my addy if anyone wants to get together for coffee and and exchange of ideas....God knows intelligent conversation is hard to come by around these parts.
Best to all. "
thegarz wrote on Jan 19, 2008 9:22 PM:
" marygb: pan dulce and cafecito sounds great! Treat at my house if anyone is interested in talking about WWII history and seeing my collection of artifacts (I was beginning to think I was the only prson in the Valley who liked this stuff).
martinez2k: I am willing to bet your grandpa saw a US Navy dirigible or even a metal airframe (rigid) zeppelin like the Akron. NAF El Centro was around during the 1930's....maybe USN airships landed there in the 1930's? Plausible.
Abelito: you're well-informed. I'm impressed. Most people have no idea that what you wrote regarding the Nazis actually transpired. I have TWO Iron crosses in my collection--one each from each World War--yes, I've heard of the Blue Phalanx--I think most were sacrificed for the "Reich".
Juan de recho: correct regarding the Hindu origin of the swastika. American Indians (some) also used it as a good-luck charm.
Regarding the SS (schutzstaffel) runes: Victor Morales got it mostly right...one important thing he forgot: The SS was also a military wing (Waffen SS) encompassing several tough, well-trained and highly motivated troops (the most famous were Totenkopf (death's Head), das Reich, Leibenstandart Adolf Hitler, and several others). There were many who came here afterthewar... "
marygb wrote on Jan 19, 2008 8:17 PM:
" "Zimmermann Telegram" according to wikipedia\
the free encyclopedia online,suggested by: blogger: martinez2k
Certainly something I had no clue about so take a tour of the website. Due to word count I am only including a small portion of the awesome information, read on:
The Telegram instructed the ambassador to approach the Mexican government with a proposal for a military alliance against the United States. He was to promise Mexico the opportunity to take back the land lost to the United States in the Mexican-American War, if Mexico helped Germany win the war. It was intercepted and decoded by the British, and its contents hastened the entry of the United States into World War I.
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miss y wrote on Jan 19, 2008 6:41 PM:
" Now that this story is out in the open, it becomes vulerable to the few that seek these type of symbols. Pretty soon this gravesite will look just like the others, plain and simple. "
abelito wrote on Jan 19, 2008 5:44 PM:
" A friend's late grandfather, fleeing Germany via Spain settled in Sahuaripa Sonora. Unlike the Neo Nazi's, which are more British than German, I have known a few older Germans, fluent in Spanish,that embraced the Spanish Mexican culture-and wouldn't give these "Placebo Nazis" the time of day. Not that I embrace "Nazi-ism" or "killing in the name of God" but, The Germans and Hispanos have closer ties than most would admit. Hitler helped Franco during Spain's anti-socialist, civil war; Franco sent his "Spanish Phalanx"(Blue Shirts) to fight against Stalinist Russia. The 'Siege of Leningrad' involved many Hispanos, some of whom recieved Germany's highest medal,the Iron Cross. After the War, Italy, Spain and the Church helped the Nazis flee to all points- in Catholic Latin America,- including Mexico. I know this doesn't bode well with Anti Catholic, Protestant Neo's but, if you "Wiki" Hitlers top henchmen like Heydrich, Himmler Goebbels etc. you'll find that most were devout Catholics. Now, I don't admire these fellows, in the least, I'm just stating the verifiable facts. "
marygb wrote on Jan 19, 2008 5:39 PM:
" Just imagine a group of bloggers in a sit down setting with a little cafecito, pan dulce and just sharing some of these awesome insights of collectors, researchers, military, historians sharing with kids interested in history. Not just American history, but history of the world. History of events that took place where one wishes it never, ever happened again. Few men have had such an impact as Adolph Hitler. A master of destruction and organized insanity. Keep up this great blogging, because it tends to bring out some deep knowledge from so many people. Thanks for sharing. Its been facinating reading the informative blogs posted. "
juan de recho wrote on Jan 19, 2008 5:26 PM:
" The origin of the swastika is the Hindu religion. There is even an old bridge built near Yuma that the Reclamation built with this sign, unrelated to facism however. "
arrowhead wrote on Jan 19, 2008 4:52 PM:
" I am impressed. Finally, intelligent comments based on what seems like knowledge. Rare for these comment boards! "
martinez2k wrote on Jan 19, 2008 4:09 PM:
" Check out "Zimmermann Telegram" in google or wikipedia. "
gymjunkie wrote on Jan 19, 2008 4:03 PM:
" thegarz - thanks for the info. I looked on Wikipedia which is where I got the idea that the nazis always showed the swastika rotated. All references to the swatiska shown as on the grave were to religions. Maybe whoever it is is one of the Russian vets. "
ricocafe99 wrote on Jan 19, 2008 4:02 PM:
" Interesting story and comment thread...it would be great to know more about it all. However, I have a feeling that this publicity will result in the grave being desecrated. "
martinez2k wrote on Jan 19, 2008 3:50 PM:
" It’s no surprise that a Nazi would emerge in Mexicali, it’s a well know fact that Germany had approached Mexico during both World Wars to join the war on its side. On both times they promised Mexico that if they helped Germany win the war that they would return Texas, California, Colorado and New Mexico to Mexico. This would be accomplished under a movement called reunification. On both times the Mexican government declined their offer, the Germans made the same offer to Ireland during both world wars and the Irish Republican Army (IRA), although tired of British occupation also said no. The Nazis started the Union Nacional Sinarquista (National Synarchist Union) in Mexico in 1937 look up ‘Mexican synarchism” in Google or Wikipedia. I can't prove this but my Grandpa told that a few times in the 30's (1936-1937) that he saw a Graf Zeppelin Airship (Hindenburg Type)flying across the Valley. (I have no reason to doubt my Grandpa, unfortunately he has left this miserable earth for greener pastures so I have no way of contacting him to verify this story) :) Maybe the rose signifies 'sub-rosa' and this guy was a Spy ??
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thegarz wrote on Jan 19, 2008 2:19 PM:
" Gymjunkie: "The germans did not display the swastika as shown on the grave itself"
You may want to check some history reference books regarding Nazis...there were ocassions were the swastika WAS displayed as on the grave...without it being shown rotated. I have in my possesion an original WWII Wehrmacht "Winterschlacht Im Osten" medal (commonly referred to as the "frozen meat" medal)given to service memebers during the Russian campaign of 1941-42. It has the swastika displayed as on the grave, without its rotation. I have been collecting Nazi medals since the mid 1970's as well as WWII American and Japanese items. Interesting period in history, I think. "
thegarz wrote on Jan 19, 2008 2:10 PM:
" Re: aesco1 comments on Uboats visiting San Felo....would be interesting IF it were possible. The Kriegsmarine most advance Uboat was the Type XXI which had a SURFACE range of 9678 nautical miles. Unfortunately for Germany, these were built late during the war (1944-45) and there were too few in number to really do anything effective. These Uboats required the aid of a "Milk Cow" Uboat to supply it with food, water, diesel. Besides, the US controlled the Panama Canal so that means any Uboat would have to sail around Tierra del Fuego---too long a trip, not too mention dangerous with all the US warship and air activity once you approached the Pacific...cool story though.... "
socorro wrote on Jan 19, 2008 1:51 PM:
" Very interesting story, I wish you would continue the search and find out who it is that is buried there. "
vzinternet wrote on Jan 19, 2008 1:05 PM:
" Years ago there was a former German Messersmitt pilot who lived in Mexicali. I don't recall much about him. He had obtained Mexican citizenship and often brought his children to attend school in Calexico at OLGA.
His name was Scmidt as I recall. This was back in the 1950's. He was a handsome man and very polite of course. "
georgerogers wrote on Jan 19, 2008 11:49 AM:
" "Nazis were Godless" sorry that's not true, many of the leaders were Satanic but the followers were the Moral Right, you know that. Christan White People, just like America's KKK or the "South". I know of Nazi punks in Mexicali their more anti-social and satanic then political. I've also heard that the roots of the PAN are fascist right wing. "
creek123 wrote on Jan 19, 2008 11:07 AM:
" It was a true "wannabee"- A true Nazi had 100% Aryan blood and would not want to be buried with people of mixed race "
gymjunkie wrote on Jan 19, 2008 10:06 AM:
" I have to wonder if the nazi symbols on the cross portion of this gravesite wasn't added later maybe by a nazi organization or individual. The emblem on the grave itself shows the "swastika" as a religious symbol. The swastika on the top is shown as the Nazi wore it with the symbol rotated. The germans did not display the swastika as shown on the grave itself. Besides that Nazis were Godless so what's the deal with the cross.
How far back do photos of this gravesite go? "
holababy wrote on Jan 19, 2008 10:03 AM:
" interesting story--how about more ? "
abelito wrote on Jan 19, 2008 8:18 AM:
" There,perhaps, are or were many others we don't know about. If they were on the run, they weren't gonna advertise their whereabouts. How many years after the death Mengele, the Nazi Concentation Camp "the Angel of Death" did the world know of his whereabouts? This gravesite was probably "a last request" to their survivors on their funeral arrangements. Maybe a little DNA testing could be helpful here. "
aesco1 wrote on Jan 19, 2008 6:47 AM:
" I heard story's from old timer's about how German u-boats would come in to San Felipe during WW2, for a little r&r. "
Marygb wrote on Jan 19, 2008 6:30 AM:
" Wikipedia offers information on: Rosicrucianism
It goes into the History, Origin, Interpretation and other stuff that does seem to confirm the rose on the gravesite of this story. IV Press does not allow bloggers to post links, so I am not going to do such a thing.
Just another reminder to vote: Say NO to Proposition 93 (do not extend term limits!)
We need new, representatives in the California State Assembly. "
Marygb wrote on Jan 19, 2008 6:13 AM:
" Another interesting story by IV's Victor Morales. This staff writer really does his homework before having a story published. Nice work Victor..keep it up, you have provided a large segment to what this paper has needed in a long time. We used to have Nelsy Rodrigues with the Desert Sun who provided our paper with equally as fantastic stories.
Strange stuff at this grave site. Who knows, I am sure there are still a few hiding in the USA disguised and hiding from the Jewish Defense League whose mission is to seek and find these, "Hitler" guards/supporters. Take a tour of their website and it will brief you on who their most recent find has been in the USA, but I don't know of a gravesite such as the one in Mexicali. Now, I am curious about what blogger licpel wrote about "rosicrucians" and with the beauty of the internet, the search will be easy. P.S. Say, "NO TO PROP. 93" Should be titled: Prop. "NAUGHTY 3" we need change!!
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licpel wrote on Jan 19, 2008 5:53 AM:
" the rose dangling in the middle signifies he was a rosicrucian. maybe the guy just liked to be associated with semi secret societies. probably just a mexicali eccentric with his own personal view of the world. Adolf hitlers true grave? "
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i am mexican wrote on Feb 19, 2008 11:08 AM: